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High Right EGT and Cylinder Head Temps

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4 months 2 weeks ago - 4 months 1 week ago #21707 by hockeystud87
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Hello I have a weird scenario with my plane. I seem to have gauges that all read high temps on the right side of my engine. I have the old cylinders that give cylinder head temps not coolant temperatures. EGT's are reading the back two cylinders. I have synced the carbs and my prop is pitched about as close as I think I can get it.

Gaunge readings
Rotax 912 UL 1992 (stock)
5100 RPM cruise
5200 RPM (climb out 65mph)
90mph ish cruise
Back Right Cylinder 206 F
Front Left Cylinder 178 F
Back Right EGT 1550 F
Back Left EGT 1460 F
Oil in 200 F
Oil out 235 F
All #'s are at 5100 rpm Cruise

So I understand the front cylinder and back cylinder head temps being different. I assume that is due to the air temp difference from front and back. The EGT is a little different. What I did discover is that the EGT probes are in slightly different spots.

EGT location on the back left seems to be .25"-.5" further away from the exhaust port of the cylinder. Plus it's on a slight bend where the other side seems to be on a flat and in direct line of the exhaust. I have included pictures of the two sides. The one on the bend is the LEFT side lower temp reading EGT. The total distance from the cylinder head, not the flange, is 2in. This seems close over all.

Are my engine temps reading different just due to the right side probe being slightly closer and in direct line of the exhaust? My grandfather noted this same issue many years ago so it's been a persistent situation.

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4 months 1 week ago #21768 by xìng wang*
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Difference of EGT less than 100 centigrade is acceptable at low rpm. But at 5000 rpm diff. Is 50 +- c.
Causes. Check carburetor lean mixture.
On ground test, measure EGT directly by flydat.
CHT. Higher. May be due to improper uses of coolant.
Pic shows. Worn-out EGT prob/wire.

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4 months 1 week ago #21780 by garrett
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You could swap the CHT probes and see if its a difference in temp probes. Exhaust gas temps drop about 100 deg per inch, also EGT probes have a life usually about 300 to 600 hours. What do the probes read when the engine is cold, do the EGT's And CHT's all read the same?

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4 months 6 days ago #21786 by xìng wang*
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EGT probs life 300_600 hrs.
Can you tell life in years? Or replace when faulty declared?

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4 months 6 days ago #21791 by garrett
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You can usually see it when they start to fail and I replace all as a matched set. I you have more than one the rest probably are not far behind failure/accuracy wise.

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4 months 5 days ago #21792 by Roger Lee
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Just replace them when they start to go bad. They only cost around $30-$40 and easy to replace. (most of the time :))
Some go way beyond 300-600 hours. I have some on planes that go to TBO without any issues. It's just the luck of the draw.

Roger Lee
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4 months 5 days ago #21793 by kenryan
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Roger Lee wrote: They only cost around $30-$40 and easy to replace. (most of the time :))


Unless you have the 914 in which case EGT sensor Rotax 966-370 is $243.74 EACH!

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4 months 20 hours ago - 4 months 20 hours ago #21852 by N874CB
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This is what I use on my 914 with the Grand Rapids box, $49. The Rotax part may be that much but other folks make them and would be much cheaper.

www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/grtegt-hcs-01.php
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4 months 20 hours ago #21854 by Roger Lee
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This is one of the most common types out there and easy to install.

Roger Lee
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3 months 3 weeks ago - 3 months 3 weeks ago #21944 by keef95
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Greetings all!

I found this thread by search and read it with interest as it is related to a question I have.

I have a 400 hour 912ULS on a Quik GTR trike I've owned since new. For most of its life the right hand EGTs have read higher than the left. I was flying in Lake Havasu a month ago but temps were quite cold and as I had experienced at home in Idaho, number 4 cylinder was tickling the yellow on my MGL when under load. I raised the needle on only the right side carb (pusher configuration) then synced them. Number 1 and 2 as well as 3 and 4 both are reading almost identical now and engine is smooth. Should I have any concern about having the needles set differently on right versus the left as long as the temps are good and engine is running well?


Thank you in advance!
Chris
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3 months 3 weeks ago #21946 by Roger Lee
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You're okay.

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3 months 3 weeks ago #21948 by keef95
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Thank you Roger!

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3 months 6 days ago #22118 by frednorthup@allstate.com
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I have had the same problem especially in the cold weather > I noticed one probe is on the front cylinder and the other on the rear. That alone seems like there could be a difference from more direct cooler air hitting the front cylinder?

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3 months 6 days ago #22119 by keef95
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frednorthup@allstate.com wrote: I have had the same problem especially in the cold weather > I noticed one probe is on the front cylinder and the other on the rear. That alone seems like there could be a difference from more direct cooler air hitting the front cylinder?



I have EGTs on all four cylinders and my 2 and 4 (right side pusher) were running hotter than 1 and 3. I'd also noticed this while running harder even in warm weather but not to the same extent. I was glad to hear that it's okay to have the needles set differently.

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3 months 6 days ago #22122 by Roger Lee
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EGT's are usually different from one side to the other. The spread can be a little different from plane to plane. The mag check isn't about checking fuel burn so this particular item is more about rpm.

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