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  • Re: Sources for shielded ignition wires for 912UL? Etc

    by » 12 years ago


    Thanks for your reply Mark,

    Will continue to "look somwhere else" but, aside from the fact that we've done many of the other fixes, this one test seems definative that we're dealing with RFI from the engine over the airwaves (and our avionics tech agrees it is):

    We have our panel mounted Microair tranciever powered OFF.
    We run up the engine on the ground, going up from 2000 RPM to 4000 (the highest I care to run it with the plane stationary with brakes on.)

    Our Avionics guy stands about 12 feet to the side with a good ICOM handheld and does test transmissions. As the engine RPM goes out his transmittions get proportionally worse and worse and with more noise in them.

    Clearly this can have nothing to do with groud loops or poor wiring in our panel mounted Microair as it isn't even on. It also has nothing to do with our cockpit PTT button and circuit as we're of curse not using it.

    As to your question "If you think of all the other aircraft that are flying with the radio within a foot of the engine ignition system and they don't have a problem, why should your engine be different?":
    For one, I'm told that Rotax 912's have a particularly high energy ignition system.
    Also, many aircraft have metal cowlings which, unlike our fiberglass one, trap RFI inside the cowling.
    Also, perhaps we have old ignition wiring which leaks more.
    Don't know. Fact is, we appear to be getting RFI over the airwaves out of the engine even when our radio is switched off.

    Al

  • Re: Sources for shielded ignition wires for 912UL? Etc

    by » 12 years ago


    Thank much Bill.

    All sounds like good advice that might be worthwhile.

    Remember though the ast troubleshooting test we ran on ours seems to pretty clearly point to RFI coming from the engine and having nothing to do with the wiring or any settings on OUR radio as we used a handheld:

    We had our panel mounted Microair tranciever powered OFF.
    We run up the engine on the ground, going up from 2000 RPM to 4000 (the highest I care to run it with the plane stationary with brakes on.)

    Our Avionics guy stands about 12 feet to the side with a good ICOM handheld and does test transmissions. As the engine RPM goes out his transmittions get proportionally worse and worse and with more noise in them.

    That can't have anything to do with settings on our radio or our antenna or wire positions as we were not even using our radio or having it powered on. If using sheilded ignition wires can substantually reduce the RFI having some power loss at the spark plug would be a small price to pay: Gnerally it's fair to say a plug either fires or not and doesn't make any difference if it had just enough voltage and current to spark or 5 times as much as it needed to jump that gap.

    So sheilded wires is probably out next, can't-hurt-to-try or cost-that-must move.

    Al

  • Re: Sources for shielded ignition wires for 912UL? Etc

    by » 12 years ago


    Al,

    Let us know how the shielding works out, i might do the same to get out the last bit of my RFI. CPS also has a good article in the back of their catalogue about installation tips. I think the spark loss with shielding is minimal. Every GA plane I've ever flown has shielded wires and I've never had a problem with them. One trick I saw years ago was a friend who temporarily wrapped the wires with aluminum foil grounded to the block just to see if it would help. It did.

    Bill.

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