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  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 8 years ago


    In all the modules I have worked on after pulling tem apart the only things that have failed were the 2uF cap lost its capacitance down to as low as .5uf and the small BC547 style smd failed and also the fet had failed..this was across more than 3 modules so that seems to be the failures. The biggest amount of failures was the large Cap losing its capacity once it gets below about 1.5uf then they dont have enough grunt to fire

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 8 years ago


    I suspect that the 2uF cap is over-stressed. Being potted it probably runs very hot and there will be quite a high dV/dt. It would be nice to up-rate this component. I too have seen a faulty SMT transistor (although I think that it is a BC849) so I guess this it too could be replaced with a more rugged component.

    I've put the Proteus project and a copy of my wiki on my read only Google drive here:
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6ytVYfsfAiNflZzQnhkMG5SMllWWDlDdm5zX3RiZ3doU0E3T2lWRk5jNjdJaldqUW1MbUk

    Help yourselves and if there is anything else that you need let me know.

    If you have an engine on a test stand then you could potentially characterise the trigger inputs by attenuating the sensor outputs until the ignition stops firing. This would give you the minimum threshold on a working unit. This would be a very useful value to know when testing a newly constructed circuit.

    Kevin

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 8 years ago


    Thanks Kevin, I got the files. I'm headed down to the LSA show here in Florida this week but will have a quick peek before I go. I'll drop in on the Rotax booth and have a look at the new modules if they have them on any display engines.

    I'm also picking up some defective dual 6 pin modules from a local mechanic while at the show.

    Shawn

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 8 years ago


    Well I received my new modules that I had to order from a European Rotax distributor because no one in the US had this "kit" with the two modules and soft start feature. Plane is back up and running so I can start my testing and take some readings. The new modules I bought with the soft start feature built in have no names or markings on them other than the part number, 965444 and the 2015 serial numbers. They no longer say Ducati on them. They cost me around $1300 delivered to my door from Europe.

    I'm still thinking of sending my old ones to the Netherlands for repair to see what they are doing. I have access to a few other dead units and I'll open them soon and take some readings.

    I contacted a Rotax certified mechanic recently and told him of my issues. He later sent me this info he said he found on a LSRM chat room.

    "There is a known problem with certain ignition modules with part number ending 726. They begin to require higher and higher RPM to fire until it reaches a point above that which the starter can reach. If you do get them to fire they work okay for that day, then revert to not firing the next time you try to start the engine. Went through this last winter with a customer's 912 ULS. The good news is that Rotax was cutting a great deal on new modules (with part number ending 927) that don't have the problem and also include a soft start circuit built in. We sent the modules to Lockwood for testing and they confirmed the problem. The test was free since it established that the old modules were indeed failed and qualified for a special price on the new modules that was less than half price of the old modules. There is some wiring adaptations that must be done, but it takes less than 10 minutes (all parts are included in the kit) and you're good to go."

    I'll update everyone after some further testing.

    Shawn

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Shawn

    Have you found a broken set of the new style ignition modules at all?. I still have not managed to find even one faulty set with the soft start feature. I keep searching and asking but nothing yet. I gather yours is all up and going now with no issue?

    Mark

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