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  • Re: Starter Stall

    by » 9 years ago


    I agree that the chatter when you energize the starter solenoid sounds like there's a loose connection or break in the solenoid coil. Have you tried connecting an ohmmeter between the solenoid coil and ground to see if there's a high resistance or open? You can tap the solenoid with that wooden spoon while checking its coil resistance to see if anything changes.

    Sandy

  • Re: Starter Stall

    by » 9 years ago


    Wow!!! Have I been chasing my tail!! Additionally, I have been asking for help without giving enough information. So, here are the fact as provided by some logical diagnosis, along with a discovery. This took some time, as the condition is intermittent, and once the engine spins up nicely, I have to wait until several hours later to make additional tests. You guessed it, it has been an all-nighter.

    I first spun the starter by applying 12 volts directly to the starter positive lug. The results were that it spun up fine; no problem. That eliminated the starter, and the sprag clutch.

    Next test; I placed a jumper directly to the starter solenoid coil circuit ( the small push-on post). The solenoid did not buzz. It offered solid clicks each time that I applied 12 to it. Again, no problem. Starter solenoid looks good.

    Next, I went back to the key switch, master on, ignitions off, and I got the prop stall, and buzz from the start relay. Only this time, I happened to be looking at the key switch, and noted that the spar pin light was flashing intermittently, and in time with the starter solenoid chatter. After a few seconds the spar pin warning light remained off, and the engine spun up just fine. So, the problem is in that spar pin circuit somewhere. It isn't on when I turn on the master, nor has it ever come on in my 120 hours of flight. The problem is in the key switch module that houses a relay for the spar pins. Bottom line, it is not a Rotax problem. It is an RV-12 problem with the spar pin circuit. Thank you all for your effort to solve my problem. My hat off to the helpful folks on this forum. I will follow up with a post after identifying the culprit, even though it is solely an RV-12 issue. FYI: Spar pins are associated with the removable wing feature that comes with the RV-12.

    I am so excited to know that my problem is not sprag clutch oriented, and I am sure that I will get to the bottom of this.

    Thanks, ever so much for all your thoughts, and help..............Tom

  • Re: Starter Stall

    by » 9 years ago


    Tom,

    I'm sure that I'm speaking for everyone on the forum when I say that the reason forums like this exist is to allow the collective "wisdom" of the members to not only address, but also to document, the issues that we all find befuddling so that others, who experience the same (or similar) issues have a place to look for the solutions to their problems.

    Please post the results of your ultimate findings and solution.

    Sandy

  • Re: Starter Stall

    by » 9 years ago


    I think I may have it solved. My plans changed, and I was able to get after my buzzing starter solenoid, and flashing spar pin safety light today. Afterr removing the avionics cover, and locating the spar pin ground wire in the small ignition harness, I was unable to duplicate the problem. I went ahead and pulled, and reseated both ends of that short cable, as well as the fuselage harness from the AV50000. Also, while I had the short ignition cable out, I removed the end covers, and carefully examined the wires, and pins. All subsequent test showed no failure nor flashing spar pin light. It must have been a dirty D sub pin, or socket. Anyway, everything looks good. This was sure and intermittent, and illusive problem. Hopefully this problem will remain solved, Thanks for all of the help............Tom

    Thank you said by: RotaxOwner Admin, Sanford Asman

  • Re: Starter Stall

    by » 9 years ago


    I felt it important to follow up with the latest on my stalling starter. I was not fixed. Several folks have pointed to the battery, and I guess I was in disbelief. When I used a good jumper battery, the problem seems to disappear. Also, the chart that I It posted didn't tell the whole story, as I thought it would. I did confirm that, without the jumper battery, the Dynon display shows the voltage dropping to 6 volts on start. Obviously my Odyssey PC680 battery sat on the shelf way too long before the first flight. Would you believe 4 years!! It is certainly sulfated. I hesitate to replace it now, as we will be heading South for 3 1/2 months in about 60 days. I do have a de-sulfating charger on it, but I am not expecting miracles. The plan is to start the new flying season with a fresh battery. Thanks for all of the help, and I hope that my experience will help someone else. Bottom line, don't overlook the obvious...........Tom

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