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We are having issues with the first start of the day, especially in cold weather - see this video https://deesidegc.fyi/AP_start When this happens, the engine will not pick up with application of throttle and must be shut down & re-started, which it normally then does without issue.
 
We set the throttle using the Rotax throttle position vs temperature chart using the Kanardia EMSIS Engine Management display of throttle position. During investigations I noticed that there is a big discrepancy between the reported EMSIS throttle position (which matches BUDS) and the throttle travel movement measured with a ruler. For example, with the throttle fully closed, EMSIS/BUDS says its 0.32 (32%). As the throttle is opened the EMSIS eventually reports the position as 1.0 (100%), whilst there is still 16.7mm of throttle travel to go. At 50% throttle movement measured by ruler, the EMSIS says it's at 97% ! Thus using the EMSIS to set the initial throttle position means it's much less than if estimated using the throttle lever position. We tried reverting to estimated throttle position for the first start, but it's still bad.
 
Another 915 Eurofox has a similar throttle position discrepancy and occasional similar bad starting, so this is maybe "normal" but still doesn't seem right ! The throttle position can be calibrated on a 914 using BUDS/ TLR software but there seems to be nothing similar for the 915.
 
The throttle position discrepancy may be a red herring as far as our starting problem is concerned, but I would like to resolve both !
 
Any ideas ?
 
Mark
 
Sorry: Meant to add this to the other thread on the same subject, but can't delete this one now :-(
 
  • Re: 915 Eurofox Bad First Start of the Day

    by » Yesterday


    I've experienced that, too. If you look at the start procedure in the Rotax 915iS Operators Manual, regarding starter engagement, it says, "The connection must persist until the engine speed exceeds 1500 rpm." In your video, it looks like you let go of the start button at just over 500 rpm. I know must of us are conditioned to release the starter as soon as the engine fires up, but the Rotax OM seems to indicate we should keep the starter engaged longer.

    I recently started doing that for my cold starts, and it works! I know it feels unnatural to keep holding the starter as the engine has started to fire up, but I keep it held until it gets through that "rough" part (500 - 800 rpm) and then release it once the engine accelerates beyond that. 


  • Re: 915 Eurofox Bad First Start of the Day

    by » Yesterday


    Thanks Mike - I always thought it strange that the manual says to keep the starter engaged until the engine is at least at 1500rpm as the starter can’t turn it anywhere near as fast as that, but maybe it just needs a little extra help to get it to pick up speed properly, so we will try that !

    Because of the sprag clutch it can’t do any harm to keep the starter engaged once the engine is running, unlike a conventional bendix starter.


  • Re: 915 Eurofox Bad First Start of the Day

    by » 6 hours ago


    The throttle position values are normal. It's related to the fact that a throttle body is non-linear in the amount of air that it flows. It's not supposed to match 1-1 with the position of your throttle lever. 


  • Re: 915 Eurofox Bad First Start of the Day

    by » 5 hours ago


    So is it the BUDS throttle position indication or estimated linear travel that should be used for the start setting with reference to the coolant temperature/ throttle position chart ?

     

    The manual says “Set linearized throttle position” implying it’s not the BUDS value ?


  • Re: 915 Eurofox Bad First Start of the Day

    by » 5 hours ago


    The BUDS value is the linearized throttle position 


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