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For my high wing kitplane I am having to design my own fuel system. I want to make sure I'm keeping the 1.5 psi max pressure loss rule for the return line.

A poster on this forum noted I can have 44 inches of distance vertically for the return line to overcome before it is too much backpressure.

It is going to a header tank.

1. Am I correct in thinking the distance should be measured from the top of the wing tank aka the highest fluid level?

2. Would that distance be measured from where the return starts (top of the engine) or the lowest point in the return line?

3. Any specific place I should port the return line into the header, or just somewhere in the bottom slightly above the outlet?

4. Do I need a check valve on the return line to prevent flow going back into the regulator when the engine is off?

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  • Re: 914 Return Line and Header Tank

    by » 10 months ago


    I suggest you read the earlier conversation on this topic: Fuel return line design obstacle you may find that most of your questions have been addressed. ?


  • Re: 914 Return Line and Header Tank

    by » 10 months ago


    I'm not quite seeing answers to my questions in that thread, aside from return line location, but no consensus or reasons for mounting it high vs low.

    Wouldn't the hydrostatic pressure be the same regardless? 


  • Re: 914 Return Line and Header Tank

    by » 10 months ago


    I'm not going to try to answer your specific questions, but I will make the observation that I think the more important factor is to make sure you do not make your return line out of small diameter hose.


  • Re: 914 Return Line and Header Tank

    by » 10 months ago


    "Wouldn't the hydrostatic pressure be the same regardless? "

    The hydrostatic pressure (also known as head) will be the same for any location, supply level relative to the return line /exit. If you have ever used a  syphon hose, you will know that if the hose exit is brought up to the same level as the supply (tank) the flow will stop exactly at the level of the supply. If you raise the supply well above the exit, you will get higher pressure.

    The only way, that I can think to reduce the head, below that of your wing tanks, is to install a header tank, at a lower position (than wing tanks) in the aircraft/fuselage. Note: the header can not be directly plumbed into the wing tank supply, as you will, in effect, be creating the same head/pressure. The header tank would need to be open to atmosphere ie have a breather.

    1. Am I correct in thinking the distance should be measured from the top of the wing tank aka the highest fluid level? CORRECT

    2. Would that distance be measured from where the return starts (top of the engine) 

    The head/pressure will be from the top of the tank fuel level, to the exit point of the return line IF THIS ABOVE FUEL LEVEL .

    If the exit point is BELOW FUEL LEVEL ,the head will be between tank full and tank empty. or the lowest point in the return line? INCORRECT. Head is measured as the vertical distance between pump supply & exit - loops/bends etc have nil influence.

    3. Any specific place I should port the return line into the header, or just somewhere in the bottom slightly above the outlet? REFERRED TO FORUM CONVERSATION - I preferer to plumb the return, to a low pressure area ie above tank fuel level but this is not absolutely necessary.

    4. Do I need a check valve on the return line to prevent flow going back into the regulator when the engine is off?  NO - In theory there will be nil flow in any direction when the pump(s) is turned off. If you plumb below the fuel level  & have a fuel control valve (OFF/ON) on the main supply, turning OFF will not completely isolate the tank fuel. Head vs Pressure - Empowering Pumps and Equipment

     

     


  • Re: 914 Return Line and Header Tank

    by » 10 months ago


    Hi Shaun.

    I’m not familiar with the fuel return line max pressure loss or vertical head distance you cite in your original post as they’re not in the 912 Installation Manual. There’s no minimum return line pressure or flow rate listed in the IM. I would rig a temporary test hose from the return line manifold nipple atop your engine, place the other end of the hose in a suitable container atop the wing (or at whatever height your return fuel tank inlet will be), turn on your electric fuel boost pump, and if fuel flows into your container, in any amount, at any flow rate, you’re good to go.


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