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  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 12 years ago


    I too have posted detail in the CSIR about two weeks ago.
    So far deafening silence.
    Roy Marsden

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Roy

    Thanks for the update. That is not what I wanted to hear, as everyone that has posted here that seem to be 'in the know' have said that is our only path for action ... and Rotax appear to ignore that too!!

    How are you getting on with your engine? Have you got the fretting issue? Is Solowings doing your rebuild?

    Does anyone reading this know how the hell to get hold of Rotax for support issues? Does Rotax read this forum?

    Regards,
    Jonathan

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 12 years ago


    Gentlemen

    The purpose of the CSIR is to make Rotax aware of service difficulties. It is not a warranty or complaint mechanism. If you have submitted a CSIR report as previously advised, a copy will go to your local Rotax Distributor as well as Rotax. You will not be contacted by Rotax! If Rotax needs more information your distributor will contact you. This is fully explained in the CSIR webpage http://www.rotax-owner.com/support/sir-service-information-report

    The correct protocol for your issue is to file the CSIR report and deal with your local Rotax Distributor for any warranty consideration (goodwill or otherwise). If you circumvent this protocol by deciding to purchase your parts from some other country, outside of your supporting Rotax distributor territory, and perform the repairs yourself, you've then decided to take on the responsibility yourself for both the technical issue and financial outcome. This is your choice and all the chat in the world on this forum will not change that!

    Please note that Rotax Line Maintenance Manual (LMM) chapter 05-50-00 sec 3.9 gives clear instructions on the acceptable amount of crankshaft rotational resistance that is allowed. You must check your engine following these instructions to define if you actually even have an issue. If your engine does not pass the test you should contact the authorized Rotax Distributor or one of their independent Rotax Service Centers for further instruction and resolution. Failing to do so will circumvent any possible warranty coverage.

    This system works and coming up with your own plan of action outside of this very reasonable protocol will only delay any responsible action and most likely circumvent any possible financial resolution.

    Rotax-Owner

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 12 years ago


    Dear Mr Rotax-Owner

    Ok so after 6 weeks of being told a CSIR report is the ONLY way to get action on a PART FAILURE in a Rotax engine ... you are now telling us that it will achieve nothing. That is just fantastic :angry:

    As I have tried to outline here if I had a service center in my country that was helpful and good to deal with who were able to supply parts at costs on par with the rest of the world, THEN I would have been more than willing to take that avenue. HOWEVER I have a problem dealing with the local Rotax Agent due to a prior situation and the massively inflated Rotax prices. As I say we on the other side of the world are not in the lucky situation of having a variety of Rotax dealers to work with. Whats more no matter what you say, I am not prepared to pay over 200% more to fix a FACTORY FAULTY engine than I actually have to. This is a non certified engine there is no requirement that an engine out of warranty HAS to be worked on by a Rotax shop.

    Myself and all the other people here with this issue, clearly have engines outside the 18 month warranty period. However what we are talking about here is a defective part that should not have failed, and could potentially KILL someone, which is what I have a major issue with.

    While I would like some financial compensation on the failed Crank Case PART that has clearly failed (look at my photos) at half its paper life span and the design has been changed on later crankcases identifying there has been an issue. I have already spent some considerable money fixing an engine that SHOULD NOT have failed in this way and have accepted that ROTAX DO NOT SUPPORT THEIR PRODUCTS. The reason this post exists and has so much activity is there are a NUMBER of instances of this appearing and that scares me as sooner or later an engine could well fail and stop due to this problem and the fact that Rotax cannot be contacted via normal means is just wrong.

    I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN - I am ALMOST over the financial side of this, however to say that my actions have taken technical resposibilty for the issue is just ludicrous. For godsake peoples lives are potentially at stake here ..... my actions to RESOLVE ROTAX'S ISSUE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE UNDERLYING FAILURE HERE AND THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. Open your eyes and stop being so naive. If you care enough to put a post on here, how about helping out YOUR customers and actually have some balls and TALK to the people affected: "If you circumvent this protocol by deciding to purchase your parts from some other country, outside of your supporting Rotax distributor territory, and perform the repairs yourself, you've then decided to take on the responsibility yourself for both the technical issue and financial outcome."

    So Thanks for that valuable input whoever you are.

    Jonathan Elliott

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Jonathan

    I've been following your chat and have to say with all due respect(sincerly) this topic might be getting a little out of hand here. I noticed you edited your original post and dampened some of your comments to better repsect the rules of this forum, I thank you for that as I for one don't want to see it become a bouncing board for a lot of hearsay and gossip backed by profanity and overly agressive language. Nor do I like to see people calling out product defect before all the "facts" are known and ample time has been allowed for a proper anylisis to take place of the damaged parts by the appropriate parties ie; your Rotax Distributor and if required via them Rotax. I've been in your position on technical issues myself and more often then not have found a reasonable approach without agression will go a lot further and retain a lot more results then threatening language ever will!

    Now, that said, and again with all due repsect, lets get back to the actual issue your dealing with itself. It seems to me at this point it has yet to be defined exactly, with all reasonable doubt removed, that in fact you are dealing with an actual product defect. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts on the topic there are a lot of factors to consider. In any case, to get to the bottom of the problem(and ultimatly some reasonable resolution) Rotax has a very specific protocol which has been clearly outlined, one which I myself have used a few times always to a reasonable conclusion. Following the chat it appears to me the most recent CSIR that has been submitted on this topic is barley two week old. You have to allow some reasonavble time for a response to take place and as important you need to make an effort yourself to deal with the Rotax Distributor responsible for the territory you reside in.

    All said, and again with all due respect, have you really exhausted all possible efforts to discuss your problem with the Austrailian Rotax Distributor? As well, has he had the opourtunity to examine the damaged parts and make a proper submission about same to Rotax themselves? I know for a fact Rotax is one of the best companies out there for goodwill warranty if they feel legitimatly there was a problem with the product or a premature failure. You only need go through the proper channels to effect it if your claims are legitimate. You need to make every reasonable effort possible to provide your responsible Rotax Distributor all the information including supposed defective parts to allow for a proper anylisis. It is this Distributors responsability to bring the issue to Rotax with all the facts to back it up. By submitting your CSIR the responsible parties have been informed, you need only to take the next steps in contacting your distributor and simply ask him how he is proceeding with your file, and as to what additional steps he might require from your side(ie; send him the suspect parts).

    Try this out, give it a chance to work and I'm confident the system as designed will support you......good luck!

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