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During landing, after a 1 hour uneventful flight, the engine RPM suddenly dropped from 3000 to 2000 and the engine started running extremely rough – like 1 or 2 cylinders were not producing power. Only lasted about 15-20 seconds. The throttle had not been moved for about two minutes before the power loss. I applied full throttle and the engine returned to normal – it may have been returning to normal just prior to applying full throttle.

The 100 hp engine is in a Zenith 701 and has 424 hours on it since new. No previous problems. Carbs are checked for sync once a month – never need much adjusting. Cylinder temperatures and oil and fuel pressures were normal before and after. Checked fuel for water before and after. Mags checked fine before and after. I use 91 octane auto fuel most of the time and a little 100 LL when away from home. All 8 spark plugs have nice tannish colored electrode insulators – no indication of bridging or foreign matter. No obvious loose wires or hoses on the engine. Outside temperature was 94 F, humidity 24% – density altitude was 8100’ (Colorado).

Tony
  • Re: 912 sudden power loss

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Tony,

    This one will be hard to call because it could be several things, but it went away so then pin pointing may be even harder. It could be something as simple as something went through one of the carbs and may be gone. Doesn't sound electrical, but check the wires up at the ignition modules by pulling on them and checking the insulation at the wire insertion point to make sure you don't have an intermittent wiring connection. If the problem had stayed I could give you a short list to look for the problem. The "may be gone" part needs to be checked and each carb should be inspected. You may want to pull them and spray carb cleaner through them followed by air. Are the carb bowls clean? Put them on a set of gauges to sync and see if there are any large discrepancies or hard to sync issues. An electronic sync tool can't do as good a job with carb debris diagnosis compared to a set of gauges. Syncing once a month is a little over kill. You are good at every 100 hrs. or the Annual which ever comes first. Once a month would usually be every 2-4 hrs for most people. I hate to say it, but this could be hard to find as a problem unless you can duplicate it or it comes back and stays. Your other option is fly the plane and see if it ever comes back, but that would be a risk. I have had it happen so I know it can be a little un-nerving depending on what's below.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: 912 sudden power loss

    by » 12 years ago


    Tony,

    That sounds like one of those problems that you may never figure out and it may not happen again. Everything appears normal and the temp. and humidity pretty much rule rule out carb ice. Carb ice usually happens gradually and goes away gradually with carb heat. My guess, based on the symptoms, would be a bit of trash that cleared itself out when you advanced the throttle. You might check the carb bowls and see if any water or trash is present.

    Bill.

  • Re: 912 sudden power loss

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Tony

    The floats are known to be very poor quality and they do disintegrate over time. You could have a piece of float material break off and pass through the main jet.

    I would suggest you inspect the floats with a magnifying glass and remove any flakes if there are any present.

    I found these in my float chamber, scary isn't it.



    Mark
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  • Re: 912 sudden power loss

    by » 12 years ago


    Guys,

    I will tell you a similar story which turned my mind for a few weeks until I discovered it.

    I had a similar problem upon one of my landings and I discovered that one of my throtlle cables was damaged and had a run in it and got stuck at a certain point. When I discovered this, I replaced both cables and the problem never came back.

    Very silly and nobody would even think of it, but it was resolved.

    Tony, after you check all other options and possibilities, I would replace those cables if I was you.

    Please keep us updated and good luck.

    Andre'

  • Re: 912 sudden power loss

    by » 12 years ago


    Bad #3 cylinder/piston/rings
    Roger
    I removed both carbs. Their interior was pristine – no foreign matter. I used carb cleaner, blew out the jets and reinstalled them. No improvement in the engine run. I checked the compression on all four cylinders. 1,2,& 4 have 80/80. Cylinder #3 has 80/<20 with significant airflow in the oil tank. The #3 spark plug’s spark arms were bent against the electrode points in both spark plugs. I have not removed the cylinder yet but I am assuming ring and/or piston and/or valve damage.

    1. Can I replace the piston without splitting the case?
    2. Do you recommend replacing the entire cylinder/piston/ring assembly or just damaged parts?
    3. If there appears to be debris in the case can it be removed without opening the case?
    4. Can you think of something that may have caused this problem – should I be looking for the cause?
    5. I purchased this new 912 ULS in March 2009 with my airplane kit. I finished the kit and started the engine in June 2012. The engine currently has 424 hours on it. Is there likely to be any warranty left?
    6. Do you have any rebuild tips for me?

    Thanks
    Tony

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