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Hello Group, Rob, Roger et al'

I need some fresh ideas on this. My 912ul will idle OK at 1800 rpm, it will run fine above 3000rpm but between 1800 and 3000 it runs rough, like a VW kind of rough. Here is what I've done so far to try and solve this, had the carbs rebuilt, had the gearbox rebuilt, new plugs, plug caps and ing. wires (rpm drop same on both ing. boxes) new carb sockets, weighed the new carb floats,checked the float arms,made sure the enrichers were coming fully off and correctly installed, synced the carbs over and over, sprayed starter fluid looking for air leaks, cleaned the idle jet over and over using cleaner, air, ran a little wire through the openings. Nothing I've tried made a bit of difference until I turned the idle mixture screws down to about 1/2 turn out instead of the factory recommended 11/2 turns. It runs much better with the mixture screws turned this far in but still not as it should. Something has to be out to required this kind of adjustment ? I can turn the fuel off as it is running rough at 2500 rpm and as is starts to run out of fuel is will pick up a 100 rpm or so and run smooth as can be for a few seconds just before it quits. I was thinking it had to be a air leak somewhere was making it run lean but I can't find anything and why would leaning out the idle mixture screws make it run better? All along it has run fine above 3000 rpm. Anybody want to take a shot at this one, like I said I'm out of ideas.
Thanks
EG
  • Re: rough 912l on idle circuit

    by » 8 years ago


    EG

    I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle. It sounds like it is too rich and not too lean, hence it starts to run smooth when you turn the fuel off and it starts to run lean before it stops.

    I would be looking at needle position and make sure carbs have been rebuilt properly.

    If you have used compressed air on the carbs, remove the carb tops and make sure the diaphragm is set properly, both on the slider and on the carb body.
    This is where I would look first.

    If you have been over zealous when cleaning some of the jet holes, thinking that you need to richen the mixture, it might be better replacing them.

    Mark

  • Re: rough 912l on idle circuit

    by » 8 years ago


    Mark,
    Thanks, I agree I think it's too rich but whats causing it ? Do the needles have any effect on the idle circuit ? They are in the second slot from the bottom. I checked the diaphragms but I'll have another look at them. BTW its the same rather the air filters are on or off.
    EG

  • Re: rough 912l on idle circuit

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Mark,

    I have been talked with MR. Pate today on this. I rebuilt his carbs, but he was already having this issue before then and hoped the carb work would solve his issue. Re-working the carbs changed nothing. The needles shouldn't be affecting him at 1800+ rpm until he increases his rpm up out of the idle circuit. We have gone round and round with some ideas and tried several things.
    I ask him to post here hoping someone might come at this from a different angle.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: rough 912l on idle circuit

    by » 8 years ago


    Hello mr.Pate.
    My friend here in Iceland had a simular problem with his Rotax 912 ul engine. After all kinds of troubleshooting like you have gone through, the reason was a faulty stator. Rotax had a service bulletin on that, but is was probably older engine than you have. Just a thought.
    Good luck finding a solution to your problem.

    Regards,
    Johann G.
    Iceland.

  • Re: rough 912l on idle circuit

    by » 8 years ago


    Did you make sure the idle speed jets were and are really clean? I had a similar problem even paid to have the carbs professionally rebuilt. I finally took a close look at the idle jets and found green corrosion used vinegar full strength in a ultrasonic cleaner and verified each hole on the side of the jets were clean. Problem solved!

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