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  • Re: Fuel overflow on one carb

    by » 6 years ago


    Good news, Good news and some questions...

    Using the electric fuel pump to reproduce the problem was really helpful - didn't have to work on a hot engine afterwards!

    Turns out the fuek wasn't leaking from the plastic carb vent, but from the bottom of the bowl.

    Anyway, removed the carb from the inlet (my clamp has the spacing collar, so no need to worry about over tightening when putting back), leaving the perfectly balanced carb unadjusted!

    Removed the bowl and fortunately the bowl gasket stayed attached in its entirity to the carb body - allowing me to avoid replacement. Anyway, turns out that the brass guide rod that the float moves up and down on had come out of its seating and the hole it left was where the fuel was leaking from.

    I weighed the floats together - 5.9 g, so these are within specs. The guide rods appear to be a friction fit so I measured the height of the other guide rod and gently tapped the dislodged guide rod back into its hole (4 light taps) to the exact same height. Put everything back together and retested with fuel pump - no leaks.

    So, right now I can continue with my plan to overhaul over this winter.

    Questions...

    Should I be looking to purchase a new float bowl during my overhaul?

    Am I taking a risk for the dislodged rod to again become dislodged, and what would the impact be? Given that there are two floats and fuel enters faster than it drains out (at least with electric fuel pump), what would be the symptoms during flight, and what risk am I taking?

    Roger
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  • Re: Fuel overflow on one carb

    by » 6 years ago


    I’m glad it was an easy fix and no carb balance required.
    If the guide comes out again then I’d get new bowl. Just continue to monitor it. If it does come out again you know the symptoms and what to do. In flight you will vent fuel and most likely smell it. The other float doesn’t have enough buoyancy to do the job on its own.
    It’s easy to replace the bowl for piece of mind tho

  • Re: Fuel overflow on one carb

    by » 6 years ago


    Just curious....

    Has anyone ever seen this type of issue before?

    I am no engineer, but press fitting the float guide seems like a design weakness.

    I believe aluminum is softer than brass, which means the aluminum hole is compressed more than the brass guide when press fitted (also the brass guide is solid). However, doesn't aluminum expand more than brass when heated, which would make for a looser guide pin fit if the carb heats up - maybe heat is used during press fitting?

    I understand the desire to have some sort of indicator that the guide / float are dislodged / detached inside the float chamber, but a hole leaking fuel seems a little extreme.

    I know it is what it is, but just purely fro a design perspective, what would be a better design? For example, I noticed no locator holes or pressure points on the top of the guide pins from the top half of the carburettor?

    Roger

  • Re: Fuel overflow on one carb

    by » 6 years ago


    In all my years I have never heard of this before,

  • Re: Fuel overflow on one carb

    by » 6 years ago


    Yep had this in flight on an ELA gyrocopter where the brass pin dislodged and allowed a continuous jet of fuel to be directed at the exhaust muffler. I was in the rear seat and could smell the fuel but the fuel pressure guages didn't show an anomaly (I can't recall if we had both pumps running) we simply took the bowl off and walked the pin back in and continued our leg. That was over 2 years ago. Yep I don't understand why bing drill a hole right through the bowl.
    Regards....... chook

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