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I note that the two circuits must be completed to start the engine. The regulators for A and B need to be connected together (start power) and then the starter motor switch. The start power circuit needs to be kept connected until the engine reaches 1500 rpm and must then disconnect.

The installation manual shows Two circiut diagrams to achieve this, one with separate start power and starter motor push button switches, the other with a relay to do the start power switch function with the relay controlled by a Stock flight systems EMU which presumably does the disconect at 1500 rpm and also locks out the starter circuit to protect the starter motor while the engine is running.

Question: Will a simple three position ignition key switch coupled with a relay perform the same function? An ignition switch with a starter lockout function costs less than a hundred dollars.

To me, having to push Two buttons simaltaneaously instead of one to do an emergency inflight restart could be dangerous, but spending $3000 to get a single button start seems a waste.
  • Re: Starting Switches For 912 iS?

    by » 10 years ago


    Many of us have a three position ignition switch.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: Starting Switches For 912 iS?

    by » 10 years ago


    ...but are you running the Stock EMU Sir?

  • Re: Starting Switches For 912 iS?

    by » 10 years ago


    Flight Design is running the three position switch. Some MFG's do have separate switches.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: Starting Switches For 912 iS?

    by » 10 years ago


    I would strongly recommend toggle switches, and avoid rotary switches. Many rotary switches like the ACS and Bendix have AD's due to wear/shorting and others have caused more problems with high mag drops due to partial shorts. I CT and other OEMS need to re-evaluate their priority of satisfying the old-time convenience of the rotary switch over the to functionality and reliability of the toggle switch. Not to mention the pure clarity of the toggle switch: it is so obvious what Lane is shut off. With a rotary switch, if the pilot is low hours, busy or stressed can they be sure they are cycling the correct lane?
    Here is an excerpt from a yet to be published 912iS document:
    A rotary key switch for operating just the Lanes should be avoided. Why?
    1. The ECU is a computer which needs boot time. If the computers are quickly switched OFF & ON, as often done with a key switch, there will be many errors.
    2. Scenario: Say you are flying along when you notice Lane B warning lamp is flashing: With toggle switches you would simply cycle Lane B OFF, wait a sec, and then ON to clear the fault. But with a rotary key switch it requires you to turn OFF Lane A to get to Lane B. You have to momentarily turn OFF the good Lane to get to the bad Lane! Not a good system.
    3. A single error (switch broken) can interfere with continued flight. A single broken toggle switch still leaves you with one good switch.
    4. Rotary key switches are problematic and some have AWD’s, even on brand-new units. They have many moving/wearing parts and have historically caused many problems in aviation.
    A key switch for operating everything: Master switch, Lanes, and the start function is also not recommended. Why?
    1. Because if you want to turn the master OFF (smoke/fire/faulty electrics); you have to turn off the lanes and thus the ECU's.
    2. Also; if you power-on the ECU at the same moment as you activate the Starter motor, then you lose "start-ability". This will happen if you use a simple Start-power relay which switches on by turning the key to the "start position".
    a. Why? Because the fuel pressure needs about 1.5 seconds after switching on the fuel pump to reach the pressure value of 3 bar. During the 1.5 seconds, the ECU is already working and injecting fuel but not enough fuel is coming out because the fuel pressure is not high enough.
    Conclusion: good quality toggle switches are the best choice.  

  • Re: Starting Switches For 912 iS?

    by » 10 years ago


    Thank you for your reply Rob and I agree 100%, but that is not what I asked. I am planning to use toggle switches with guards for the lane switches, but what I was talking about is just the start function.

    Do I need a Stock EMU to keep the A and B systems connected till the A alternator reaches 1500 rpm to keep the system powered? This is what is shown in the Rotax installation manual wiring diagram.

    My plan was to use a rotary switch for aircraft security only with the "On" position wired to the master contactor and the "start" position wired to the engine.

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