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Sticking this here in General rather than 916 as there far less activity there and I think it's not just a 916 Q. 

Apologies for all the numbered bullets.

  1. I attempted the first start of my 916.  I followed the procedures for purging in the Rotax video.
  2. The only thing I found different from the video is that I got almost zero oil coming out of the 2 return lines and I had to top up the tank a couple of times to avoid sucking air.  I did eventually get 30+psi.
  3. I did the initial start to purge the Turbo return line and got good oil flow within a couple of seconds.
  4. I got some white smoke on this initial start but it mostly cleared after a couple of seconds 
  5. I reconnected the turbo return line and restarted the engine to do warm up cycle. 
  6. I got oil pressure in green  <2 seconds and ran for 2 mins at 2000rpm.   Engine sounded good.
  7. Oil temp was climbing steadily and was about 30-35c after the 2 mins.  Oil pressure steady and in Green
  8. I increased revs to 2500 and very shortly after doing this (<45 seconds) I got a Lane B warning light and white smoke from exhaust.
  9. I shut it down immediately.

 

What I found on investigation:

  1. Oil dripping from exhaust
  2. A few drops of oil dropping from between the 2 halves of the Turbo
  3. No oil in the Turbo to Intercooler pipe
  4. I removed 2 lower spark plugs and there was no trace of oil
  5. I removed the 90 degree bend from the exhaust and could see a pool (~75cc) of oil in the main exhaust box 
  6. I removed the air filter from the Turbo air intake and can confirm the turbo is turning smoothly with no apparent bearing issues.  However there is some damping resistance to rotation.  I suspect the exhaust side of the turbo contains oil.
  7. On reviewing the video I could see there was a small amount of smoke during the whole second run.  This wasn't really visible when up close. 

My Theory: I think the long time I spent hand turning the motor to build oil pressure ended up pushing oil into the turbo sump and overflowing it into the exhaust side.  I don't believe there is a flexible seal on the hot side of the turbo.  Has anyone seen this happen?

Engine is still under warranty and I paid for the extended cover.  I contacted the dealer I bought the engine from in France and although his email response was helpful - he declined to formally engage because I'm in Ireland and told me to raise a CSIR.  I raised the CSIR a couple of days ago and have heard nothing yet.  Is this normal?

This is complicated by the Rotax’s decision to have a UK (outside the EU) based Distributer for Ireland (inside the EU) and zero Service or Repair centres in Ireland.

  • Re: Oil in Exhaust on first start of 916

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Hello Ian

    First, you are correct there is no "flexible seal" between the inlet air pump and the exhaust driven hot side of the turbo.  I believe that the hand cranking of the prop would drive oil into the centre section of the turbo and it will simply bleed into the hot side until you build pressure.  (it needs to run to clear it)  In general i prefer the pressure purging system rather than the hand turning one when dealing with any turbo engine.  

    As for lane lamps, follow the start procedures as shown in the maintenance manual line.  It is important to know that the lane lamps refer to what part of the computer is in control.  On start the engine will be running on the B lane, which is a full map system using all the default settings within that B map.  The way we activate the A side is by bringing up the RPM to 2400/2500 and then the lanes will synchronize after this and Lane A, which has all the sensors for the most part, will take over control.  There normally is a delay of a short bit while this takes place.  

    I can't guess why you got a lane B lamp warning, flashing, perhaps it was the oil build-up or something else.  CFS in the UK will have to respond to you regarding the CSIR.  The relationship of them to Ireland as the distributor is from before the seperation of the UK and EU.  I dont think dealing with someone in the EU would be easier.  For example you most likely would prefer people who spoke English as the primary language rather than something else when trying to work past some technical issues.  At least that is my guess.  

    I would not worry about the residual oil myself.  Oil inside the exhaust canister is not a big deal, it will burn off in a few mins and is unlikely to come back.  (aerobatic guys actually spray oil into the canister to make smoke for airshows and the like) 

    Just my views.

    Cheers


  • Re: Oil in Exhaust on first start of 916

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Thanks for the quick response. 

    Good to know my theory holds water (Oil?).  I'm also ok with some oil in the exhaust can.  I'm a little more concerned about oil in the turbo.  Could it burn and carbonise in there?

    I think I got a solid warning light on Lane B and lost Oil pressure and temp readings - This is what I noticed first.

    I don't have a BUDS to read the codes and given there's no Dealer, Repair or Service centre in Ireland  - I'm currently trying to find out if another individual has bought one.   I will probably invest in one.

    As soon as I determin the reason for the light - I'd like the ok from a Rotax person to do a restart - I don't want to do this without getting a go ahead though in case it invalidates warranty

    The English is a plus dealing with the UK - although the French guys also hadve perfect English.

    But shipping parts to and from the UK is a complete PIA these days.

    Cheers

     

    Ian

     


  • Re: Oil in Exhaust on first start of 916

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Adding the outcome to this for others who find this thread in the future

    I ended up getting great support from the French dealer.  I never got a response on the CSIR which was disappointing.

    I also managed to borrow a dongle and ship the logs to the dealer for analysis.

    The LANE fault appears to have been due to a big temp delta between coolant and oil (46c).  I checked the coolant level and found it to be low by about 500ml – probably due to air pockets getting flushed in first start.

    We agreed the following steps:

    1. Clean all oil from muffler and hot side of turbo
    2. Remove the drain plug from the bottom of the turbo and check for any carbonised oil or other blockage
    3. Remove sparkplugs and turbo return pipe from oil tank and spin engine by hand about 50 time and confirm there is oil returning
    4. Attempt standard engine start and warmup (Oil up to 50c)

    I then did an engine run without oil smoke, without any LANE warning and reached 50c oil temp in about 8 minutes and completed the hydraulic tappet checks!

    I removed the Resonator assembly and confirmed no oil in the muffler.  Oil pressure was 47 to 52 psi throughout the run. The difference between Oil and Coolant temps didn’t go above 22c.


    Thank you said by: Ken Ryan, Rotax Wizard, RotaxOwner Admin

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