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Question for Roger Lee and others.

I have a 2016 100 hp 912ULS with 480 hrs TT.  I bought the plane recently and found there is a significant vibration in the 4000 RPM range + or - 200 RPM.

Engine has a new E-Prop that is supposedly pre-balanced at the mfg. It appears to be installed correctly with the color coded blades, engine spacer and prop spinner in the proper orientation.  There is a weight inside the prop spinner.

New plug wires.  All plugs less than 100 hrs and all 8 plug insulators appear a light chocolate brown.

Grounds for the Ignitions that are attached to the intake manifold have been removed and cleaned

Engine starts easily and idles very smooth

Air cleaners cleaned and re-oiled

New floats installed within last 60 hrs

Carbs balanced within last 60 hrs

Any Suggestions would be appreciated.  

 

 

 

  • Re: 912 uls VIBRATION

    by » 3 weeks ago


    I would check for improper propeller tracking, not all blades pitched the same, or out of balance blades (weight inside the spinner may not be indexed into the right spot).  A dynamic propeller balance would tell you something.  Otherwise, I got nothing.

     

     

     


  • Re: 912 uls VIBRATION

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Thanks Skot,

    I will check out your suggestions.  I have to solve this problem.  It makes a nice running engine seem real bad.

     

    William Campbell


  • Re: 912 uls VIBRATION

    by » 3 weeks ago


    As well as a prop dynamic balance, redo the carburettor balance, paying special attention to the carb balance up & down the rpm range.

    You will be checking for throttle mechanism (cable/leavers/etc) smooth action without sticking. If the mechanism is sticking, this will result in a temporary or permanent out of balance carb symptoms.

    Temporary, may see the balance, at a certain throttle setting, be out but recover as the "stick" releases.

    I like to do my carb balance from 2500-5000 rpm.

    The ability of the vacuum sensing system you use, will have less ability to show difference in balance, as the rpm rises (vacuum reduces).

    By looking at the whole rpm range (with special attention in the 4000-5000 rpm) I am hoping to have my fuel delivery system operating at its optimum in the flight rpm range and check on throttle operation at the same time.

    Note:

    Do the carburettor balance before the prop balance.

    Prop balance should be done at the engine  rpm you use most (in my case 5000 rpm in Cruise)😈


  • Re: 912 uls VIBRATION

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Thank you so much Sean.  I will take your suggestions seriously and proceed to see if I can eliminate the problem.

     

    Regards,

    William Campbell


  • Re: 912 uls VIBRATION

    by » 3 weeks ago


    Hello William,

    I want to share with you my last odysee with bad vibes between the 2000 and 4500 RPM range. It started with slight vibes in this so called mid-range and became slightly worse with time. Idle was good, WOT was good. So started to concentrate on the mid range band.

    First thing I have to note is, that on this specific aircraft (Shark UL/LSA) you need to swap the carbs at engine installation, due to limited space under the cowl, so the throttles/"chokes" sit inside. So, when I installed the engine (was installed after "IRAN" done by another mechanic) I swapped the carbs, without thinking, that the idle mix and the jet needle position could be way out of basic values. So the RH carb, now sitting on the LH side had an idle mix setting very rich and the LH carb (now RH carb...) had a leaner (#2) needle clip position. By realizing that, I set both back to "basic" but this did not dramatically change/worsen the vibes (with good carb balance at 3500/idle). So to make it a bit shorter, I pulled both carbs, cleaned them, installed new needles/needle jets and seals, set both to basic settings. The only remarkable thing were the "closing balls", they were all uncovered (cracked or missing epoxy), so maybe some "bad air" may had changed one or both carbs. Therefore I closed them with new epoxy.

    Installed the carbs and had to note, that the LH throttle "cable" was suddenly sticky, not allowing a smooth throttle movement.....! During closer inspection I have found broken strands at the throttle attachment underneath the throttle/"choke" quadrant. Wooow, I have thought, that makes really sense to that issue and changed it. That cable was really bad and did not allow soft movements, which would explain the "unbalanced" range, and due to normal vibes, and pushing to WOT the spring might have pulled the cable across the damaged area. So with new cables, fresh cleaned carbs I was positive minded to adjust the carbs and all will be gone. Bad thought.... balancing carbs, played a bit with idle mixture made the whole run a bit better but not good enough as it is possible, normally.

    AND now the real shocker - I could not get static RPM anymore. WOT, RPM 4700-4800. Low EGT. What the h.... is going on there. So removed plugs, looked inside the cylinders with a borescope - nothing real bad, checked plugs - mixture looked ok/even....???

    So removed valve covers and checked the valve train and had to realize that pushing in the exh. valves did not re-seat them properly and there was no compression for 10-15 revs by hand and then they "came back". So I did that now on all 4 valves, reassembled all 4 covers and ran the engine again..... ALL good, NO vibes at all, WOT/Static RPM exactly there, where I had set them months ago, when I have installed that engine to the aircraft....

    My explanation would be sticking vlaves due to the extremely rich carb (LH) before and that many ground runs during this troubleshooting session.

    Note: During my troubleshooting I was also comparing the flame color between #3 and #4, where #4 was pretty rich and #3 was on the lean side. When doing the choke test during that "troubleshooting session" at ~2200 RPM the RPM raised about 200 RPM and then the engine almost died. 

    So, this might not directly help to solve your problem, but sometimes it is a "crazy" combo of issues and sometimes stay back a bit and start to think outside the box. My experience is, that two standard adjusted carbs, freshly cleaned an serviced just work, no vibes etc. even, if there is no airbox. 

    And by the way, I know and run a e-props on my Bristell, it runs like a sewing machine ( that applies for both, the fixed pitch and the constant speed) at all speeds.

    So may be that helps a bit, good luck!

    Gerhard


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