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I have a strange situation, and I need advice.

Twenty flight hours ago, I was flying cross country at 9,500 ft.
The engine was running smooth at 4,800 rpm and 28 inches of MP (I was flying along with slower airplanes than my Pelican Sport 600).
I decided to climb to search for better winds, so I increased MP to 32 and rpm's to 5,200.
After a couple of minutes, the engine started to sputter, as if there was not enough fuel.
I immediately leveled the airplane, reduced MP and rpm's ... the problem semed to "disappear", not so my anxiety.
The closest runway was may departure point, so I made a 180 and started thinking ...

"What if the main fuel pump (which had been working already for 750+ hours) is already tired and not giving enough pressure?"
So, I increased power again and waited ... after some 10 seconds, the failure was there again, but this time instead of reducing power, I turned ON the auxiliary fuel pump.
That seemed to fix the problem.

I repeated the process two more times and the auxiliary pump always fixed the situation.
By then I was pretty sure that I had a tired main pump.

I arrived at home and a friend let me use one of is 914 fuel pumps (much newer than mine), so I replaced the main pump with my friends'.
I flew for more than 3 hours at 11,500 ft with only the main pump running and no problem!
So I went into Lockwood Aviation's webpage and asked for a new one.
Once installed I started flying again, apparently the problem was gone.

One thing I noted, the inner part of the muffler was completely black, and a lot of black powder was covering the inner walls.
Also, the spark plugs are VERY dark, all 8 of them.

That means very RICH mixture, right?
I wonder how comes if it was perfect for more than 100 hours, and then without even touching the carbs, the mixture becomes so rich?

Well, the thing is that the failure is not gone.
I replaceded all the hoses that go from air box to carbs and sensors ... nothing.
I cleaned carbs ... nothing.

Yesterday we measured the resistance values in the Throttle Valve Position Sensor attached to the 2/4 Carburetor.
It seems to be faulty, no reading at all between tip 5 and 7.

Could this sensor be a cause of all this mess?

Thanks for any help.
  • Re: 914 running rough ... Help, please.

    by » 10 years ago


    is there oil coming out of the airbox vents? if so then you are getting oil from the turbo and that is what is causing the dark plugs and roughness. The sacavage tank/hoses/fittings will need to be cleaned.
    Was there and fiberglass in the fuel pump inlet finger screens? The Pelican is known to have fiberglass coming from the fuel tank, working its way past the gascolator and getting stuck in the screens.

  • Re: 914 running rough ... Help, please.

    by » 10 years ago


    I had the problem with the fiberglass in the screens very early in this plane's life, but not anymore.

    There is not oil coming out from the Airbox vents, BUT there's FUEL coming out sometimes.

    It starts to get rough at full throttle.
    I do the following:
    Once I have oil temperature, I start pushing the throttle in (only main fuel pump on)when it reaches 40" MP, after a while, it starts to run rough. Then I turn ON the AUX pump and it smooths, but only for a while, after that, it starts running rough again.

    Also, at altitudes of 5,000 or more, this rughness starts using one pump, and disappear turning AUX pump ON.

    How probable is that the fuel regulator is failing?

    This is very confusing.

  • Re: 914 running rough ... Help, please.

    by » 10 years ago


    If I turn off the turbo, it fails just the same, so that makes me think of a sensor or the fuel regulator.

  • Re: 914 running rough ... Help, please.

    by » 10 years ago


    You need to check the fuel pressure over airbox pressure. see attached pdf as well as HMM chapter 73-00-00 section 3.4.2.
    Connect a dual MAP gauge from a pressurized twin (Cessna 340 is a good source: lots of those aircraft are scrap due to the spar mod)
    Run up to full throttle or until airbox or fuel pressures go out of limits. adjust screw on regulator IN to increase fuel pressure, OUT to decrease.
    fuelpressure.pdf (You do not have access to download this file.)

    Thank you said by: ALEJANDRO RENDON

  • Re: 914 running rough ... Help, please.

    by » 10 years ago


    Rob,

    Thank you for your help and this great tip.

    I'm a little confused, though.

    To read Fuel pressure, I need a gauge to measure liquid pressure, and to read Airbox pressure, I need a gauge to read air (gas) pressure. Does the dual MAP gauge you mention do that? One for liquid and one for air?

    Another question:
    Do I need to measure both outputs of the regulator or is it enough reading just one of them?

    Thanks again for tour interest in my issue.
    Regards

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