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Hello everyone, this is Jorge from Spain.

I have a Kitfox III with a vintage rotax 912 ul from 1998 with 200 hours on it. I bought it almost 2 years ago. This plane was on the hangar for some years without flying.

Let's say the first 5-7 hours of flying were silk smooth until my problems started.
It all begun like a discontinuation on the normal engine running sound which made me suspect of some troubles. It was barely noticeable at first on the air frame and it became worst with the hours until I decided to stop. Now it shakes so bad that my carbs are overflowing, the air filters are falling down and even carburetors are separating from the air intake ... nice uh?

I shakes from idle to full power (the more power the more I think the engine will disintegrate), same on one ignition circuit or the other.

I tried EVERYTHING to fix this engine discriminating the next:

Carburetors. I cleaned them, blow them, checked them like a million times. They were overhauled and I've tried with another 2 different pairs I borrowed with no change on the vibration.

Ignition. All connectors checked and cleaned. New spark plugs, its connectors and ignition cables (making sure you get new copper and its properly screw in). I tried by replacing every single component with parts I borrowed ( stator assembly, trigger coils, ignition modules, coils, etc). Everything checked for the proper gap etc.

Prop. Warp drive tapered 68", all blades checked for pitch, statically balanced. Tried with a different prop having the exact same shake.

Mechanically. Engine was open & checked by a mechanic for compression, crankshaft alignment, camshaft, tappets, chip detector ... all good as per rotax manual!

Installation. New engine rubber mounts, no metal parts making contact, etc. Fuel installation is correct and provides enough flow/pressure to fuel pump (new from last year as well). Engine mount and exhaust checked for cracks. Also tried running it without the exhaust whit no success.
Now ... the air intake manifolds are inverted in this aircraft which magnifies any small vibration.
Also, there is a service bulletin to shorten the metal tubes which goes inside of the engine mount rubbers which will allow me for more compression on the rubbers thus more dampening effect. I am planing to shorten those indeed, but I'm having troubles believing this will fix my problems.

Finally, regarding the gearbox... it was dismantled twice by two different guys. Every component inspected and checked on the bench for compression, but no parts were changed (not the roller bearing nor belleville washers). I heard of other kitfox owners having my same symptoms and getting them fixed by shimming, replacing components, dog hub, main gear etc.

So after all the money I spent and the time I wasted I have all my hopes in that gearbox.

Any thoughts? What am I missing?

Cheers!
Jorge
  • Re: Rotax 912 ul, severe vibration

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Jorge,

    Since you have done so many things and no gearbox parts replaced I would still suspect the gearbox. The bellville washers and shims should be changed. You need someone who knows their way around a gearbox to inspect the gears and know what they are looking for. Mae sure the black plastic phenolic washer is in place and it didn't desentigrate and smeone missed it.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


    Thank you said by: Jorge

  • Re: Rotax 912 ul, severe vibration

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Roger,

    thanks for your response.

    As soon as I am back home I am planning to ship it for inspection. I wouldn't try it myself of course (no tools, time or knowledge).

    Bellville and shims, are this the bare minimum parts to be replaced once the gearbox is disassembled ?

    When is the prop shaft bearing supposed to be changed ? I was thinking that maybe all those years without proper preservation of the engine might have made them dry or damaged.

  • Re: Rotax 912 ul, severe vibration

    by » 8 years ago


    Hola Jorge,

    I have had similar symptoms to yours. The first problem that was found was worn splines on the prop shaft and drive dog in the gearbox. My symptoms with this problem were roughness when closing the throttle.

    After this was fixed I had another rough running problem that started with only a small amount of roughness. Over a period of about 10-20 hours it became much worse until on the last flight I turned around and landed quickly because it was so bad.

    I tried everything like you have, carbs, ignition, compression, engine mounts, etc. Nothing made any difference. Eventually I removed the engine and sent it for rebuild. Careful inspection showed that one of the inlet valves had become deformed/worn. This was replaced and the problem was fixed.

    Could you have a problem with the camshaft or one of the hydraulic lifters?

    Is your ignition timing correct? You can paint a couple of white marks on the 'flywheel' and use a xenon timing light to see if the advance angle is correct.

    If I think of anything else I'll post it.

    Good luck!

    Kevin

  • Re: Rotax 912 ul, severe vibration

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Kevin,

    Inlet valves are measured and correct.

    Yes, at some point in this endless quest for a solution, I thought of the hydraulic lifters too. They were inspected and some of them showed uneven wear so I replace them with new ones thinking I had found the origin of the troubles. There was no change, the exact same vibration.

    I heard of crankshaft/camshaft related issues on the old 912 ul's also.
    The engine is been split open twice down to the "case" (I mean cylinders and pistons were off) and
    the visible part of the camshaft was "visually" inspected for damage.
    Other than that I never found chips on the magnetic plug and the oil pressure is been always correct. Should still I suspect of a crankshaft/camshaft problem or crack ?

    I was also thinking of a ignition timing problem and I checked by replacing every component on the ignition system with parts I was able to borrow. Finally replace all the ignition system with the one of a 912 uls ... no change.

    Now I did that since I believed the ignition timing it's controlled by the CDI boxes automatically. My question here: is there any adjustment possible?
    I think it would be tricky to check, as you mentioned, in my plane since there is physically no space but maybe with a small camera it would be worthy to try.

    In the list of things I wanted to try before I set the plane on fire I though about running the engine without the prop. I know this is not allowed by the manual but maybe I think it would give me some clues before I spend more money.

    I am thinking that there would be less stress on the reduction gear box, If operates without any load, thus less vibration allowing me to identify If the problem it's really coming from there?
    Is this making sense at all or I will be just risking a major damage on the engine?

    Jorge

  • Re: Rotax 912 ul, severe vibration

    by » 8 years ago


    From what my mechanic told me, you will not be able to control the rpm adequatly once the engine is running without load. Don't now about vibrations and resonance in the gearbox without load, maybe it is not such a good idea.

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